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Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:00 am

GRANT COUNTY - Members of a Grant County militia group believe their rights are slowly being taken away and the group is preparing for the worst.

"We're not like anti-government in any way, shape or form. We're just anti-tyranny. People want to get rid of those rights," said Chris, a member of the group. The members interviewed requested last names be excluded for their safety.

It's a small group right now, ranging from 15-25 members, but with President Obama's re-election and the fear of stricter gun control, more people are interested in joining. More than 20 people have expressed interest in the militia in the past three weeks. The group has more than 60 members on Facebook.

Interest in militia is growing across the country. There were just 42 militia groups statewide when Obama first took office, compared to 334 groups in 2011. There are more than 20 militia groups in Washington state. The statistics are from a report from the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the only organizations that track militia groups and anti-government groups.

Frank Harrill, a FBI agent at the Spokane office, said the FBI only tracks militia groups that veer toward violence. Harrill was not aware of the Grant County group.

Members of the Grant County Militia said negative media coverage of extremist groups have damaged the perception of the purpose of a militia.

"We're not any type of extremists. We're just average people," said Alex, a militia member.

Alex said the rise of militia groups sends a message to the tyrants to be and the government to uphold their oath of office and support the Constitution.

The group is about more than defending the Constitution. Members complete training in gun use, military-style tactical training and survival training. Alex said the goal is to be self-sufficient.

"We're going back to what we used to know," he said. "Society right now is so tight to the system that's running it."

Chris said many of the members are ex-military and provide tactical training. Chris served in Iraq in 2003. He said he joined the group for emergency management, to support local police and fire departments and assist with natural disasters.

Ross, another member of the group, helped clean up areas of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

Tom Jones, Grant County Sheriff, is aware of the group and said he has been contacted by militia leadership many times and they have offered to help.

"They know where I stand and I know where they stand," Jones said. "They're, bottom line, about protecting the rights of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They don't push their agenda on me."

Jones has never had problems with members of the group and said even with growing interest, the intent of the group is in the right place. He said if the group gets to the point of acting outside of what they should be, he will address it at that time.

"I'm sworn to uphold the Constitution. They live by it," he said. "They're gearing up for the absolute worst."

Jones said the militia could be an option in an absolute worst situation, but said it may not be much of a viable option.

Alex said the government is taking away rights in very small increments and the growth of militia groups will continue.

"And this, the people as a whole rise up and tell the government: look, get back in line with the Constitution, otherwise we will re-enact the Declaration of Independence," Alex said. "We'll come up with a new one and we'll redefine our independence from you once again."

The Grant County Militia is members of the Modern Militia Movement and the Washington State Militia Group, a constitutional pro-government group that believes in fighting for the Constitution by all means necessary, according to the website.

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  • IKnowJoe posted at 10:49 am on Mon, Mar 4, 2013.

    IKnowJoe Posts: 36

    Well, Im not sure when or if they are going to "start shoting" I can speculate and say 'when they are fired upon", but that would be an assumption, and we all know about those. I guess if youre really THAT curious, then go to their webpage or Facebook page. It would appear they are simply "preppers" and community activists. I see nothing wrong with what they are doing. Not my thing, but who am I to tell them what they can or can't do within the law (they openly point out that they will not tolerate illegal or subversive activity by their members). I suppose if you want a timeline or something, you can google them and find some contact information and ask them when they plan to "start shooting". Im pretty satisfied with the information I looked up. Rather enlightening really.

    I saw a story on one Militia group in Arizona who actually went to an Occupy Movement protest gathering a year or so ago. They were basically there as crowd control and as an armed presence to counter the armed presence of the Police (or so they said anyway), and protect the protesters right to assemble and protest. I know you won't believe it, but guess what? Nothing happened. There were Police with guns, and Citizens with guns (big scary Assault Weapon guns even), and nothing happened.

  • thirdrail posted at 7:58 am on Mon, Mar 4, 2013.

    thirdrail Posts: 395

    Ok, they help out in times of natural disasters. good, I applaud them for that. But my question is still unanswered, when do they pick up arms and start shooting or to put it in your terms what situation would cause the " caca " to hit the fan ? BTW, I don't disdain authorities per se but only when they're not being accountable to the citizens. Also I'm not a bringer of hot dogs. Or apple pie for that matter.

  • IKnowJoe posted at 12:11 am on Mon, Mar 4, 2013.

    IKnowJoe Posts: 36

    I'm disappointed, You the saviour to the common man. The bringer of hot dogs, apple pie, and all that is "American" on a trailer to your local polling place. All that is good in America (or at the very least all that is portrayed as good in Moses Lake). You of all people telling them to lay down their arms, and submit.
    What is so wrong with being prepared? Why do they have to exist to "start shooting" as you so say?They even say they have offered their assistance in the event of natural disasters. What makes them so unworthy? Why are they any more untrustworthy than the CERT group? Quite honestlty, in the event when the Caca hits the proverbial fan the "Authorities" (which oddly enough you seem to have a disdain for) are going to be over extended and in short supply. Come on Mike and Third... what is so wrong about knowledge and self reliance? You are ASSuming these folks are "Right wing wacko" extremists, and there is no basis for your ASSumption. None.

  • thirdrail posted at 7:24 pm on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    thirdrail Posts: 395

    If a member of the Gt. Co. Militia reads this , please give me an example of a situation when the militia would actually pick up arms and start shooting or have you thought this through. Is it when the Feds come to your house to pick up your guns or mauraders in the street or when foreign tanks are rolling by ? If you have the feeling that anarchy is imminent then join the reserves whether it's at the national, state or local level, after all the article states that you are a pro-government group. If a situation does arise you'll be told by authorities to put down your guns and go away.

  • IKnowJoe posted at 5:38 pm on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    IKnowJoe Posts: 36

    I fail to see where the timeframe has anything to do with it. The idea that the Constitution is "dated" is hogwash. It was written and instituted with a lot of forethought. Musket, bolt action, pistol, muzzle loader, it shouldnt matter. So that while some things may change, the basics remain the same. We live in a Representative Republic. It isnt Mob Rule. The Constitution should protect the 10% as well as the 90%. In fact when youre outnumbered it is exactly why it was written the way it was. To protect your inalienable rights. These arent rights given by the Govenrment, they were given to us by our creator(whomever yopu choose to believe in or not believe in).
    I also fail to see where these folks getting some publicity is going to make them anymore likely to commit a crime or engage in activities outside of acceoted conduct. Why would they? Youre implying that they are going to go off the deep end because they got some news exposure? Pretty hard to believe Mike.

    In case youre concerned about people arming themselves, have you read the news lately? sales are through the roof, concealed carry permits are at an all time record. Nothing amazing. Just people going about and exercising their Constitutional rights, nothing more. Exercising them because they honestly (and rightfully) fear what this administration will do next.

    I look at it this way. The more people are educated, theoretically the better decisions they can make. If this Militia group can educate 10 non gun owners that cosmetic changes to a semiauto rifle do not make it evil, then thats great. Knowledge is power Mike. If this group can get 10 people who are fire arms owners to learn to properly handle and shoot their guns, then thats great. That makes 10 more safer gun owners. If this Militia group can get one or two sandal wearing, pot smoking tree hugging hippies to realize that a gun is a tool, and is incapable of hurting anyone on its own, then thats great. Most people are afraid of something because they are unfamiliar and just dont know. Knowledge is power.[smile]

  • Hydro Mike posted at 6:10 am on Sun, Mar 3, 2013.

    Hydro Mike Posts: 187

    I am sure the mother in Newtown whose son shot and killed her and the school children had no intention of her son taking her weapons and using them. I am sure the mother did not want our 2nd amendment or another assault weapons ban to be an issue, neither do I. My fear is some group of people arming themselves, getting publicity in newspaper, then happen to be involved in an event, which might give the people who want to ban assault more cause to ban weapons, period. This is not 1776, or 1863 folks, the year is 2013. I DO NOT SUPPORT AN ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN.

  • IKnowJoe posted at 10:31 am on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    IKnowJoe Posts: 36

    Havent looked at it in the last couple weeks. It appears they have since amended it. Read the original. The fact that they even thought it was okay to allow the Sheriff to come inspect my home is quite disturbing
    Not really thrilled with the fact that according to this I can no longer simply go out and shoot. It has to be at a sanctioned event or on a licensed range. So I guess no more coyote hunting with my cosmetically altered .223. My .308 has a muzzle break and takes detachable magazines, so I guess it qualifies as an "Assault Weapon".
    Just curious how that new mental health legislation is going. Oh thats right. There isnt any. Lets see then how about stronger legislation locking up the dirt bag repeat offenders in possession of fire arms? Oh thats right... havent seen any lately. Just asking

  • IKnowJoe posted at 10:10 am on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    IKnowJoe Posts: 36

    It isnt what has been taken away.Yet. Its about certain individuals who have an agenda and are going so far as to imply that it is okay to take away our rights. Are they blatantly doing it? No. They cant because they know they would lose. So they chip away, one little thing at a time. Feinstien may not have actually submitted a bill taking away the second amendment. However, the fact that she even mentioned it in passing that if she had the votes she would do it! That scares the heck out of me. She's not the only one either.

    Hydro Mike implies that these folks have done something wrong, or that they plan on violating the law. There is nothing in their statements or their actions that implies that. Rights are like muscles. If you dont exercise them they wither away. I'm not advocating an armed uprising as an alternative to the ballot box. However when I see proposed legislation just thrown out there that blatantly violates the BOR, then I get a little upset. The fact that politicians seem to think that nobody will notice just amazes me. Personally I look at it as more of a legal wrangling. If the gun grabbers want to hang their hat on the word "malitia", then fine we can form a malitia.Now what? The suits are going to outlaw a malitia?

    I find it odd that you, of all people would even question the fact that people are concerned. With all the grumbling about the MLIRD voting/ballot fiasco.

  • thirdrail posted at 10:06 am on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    thirdrail Posts: 395

    Seems to me they still have to have probable cause for a search warrant. The second Amendment seems fairly secure in spite of all the shootings that have occured recently.

  • IKnowJoe posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    IKnowJoe Posts: 36

    Specifically the 4th amendment comes to mind. Not to mention they are pushing the second

  • thirdrail posted at 9:26 am on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    thirdrail Posts: 395

    Would somebody tell me which constituttional rights have been taken away.

  • JimmyJam posted at 4:17 am on Sat, Mar 2, 2013.

    JimmyJam Posts: 7

    Mike, you should really go edit the wiki page on the American Civil War. The person who wrote it put down a bunch of stuff about slavery and something else... I probably would have read the whole thing if they had just put down "because militias".

    I find it funny that you put all your faith in our armed services and law enforcement yet you are shaking your finger at "The Sheriff" for making a few neutral comments about a group of law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights.

    While I have high regards for the men and women in our Armed Forces and Law Enforcement, if the government decides to remove or limit rights from the constitution and members of our armed forces decide to fight to make sure the people maintain those rights but get discharged or fired for doing so. Are they just supposed to sit back and deal with it because only our law enforcement and military should be able to deal with that? Not to mention, our law enforcement and military are paid by our government and it is not a great idea to bite the hand that feeds you.

  • IKnowJoe posted at 8:54 pm on Fri, Mar 1, 2013.

    IKnowJoe Posts: 36

    Just in case you forgot or never took the oath Hydro Mike, every member of the military as well as many public servants swear to uphold the constitution, and defend against ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. Not just "Foreign Invaders". I took that oath over 30 years ago, and I will stand by it today. Knowing the law enforcement and military friends I know, when push comes to shove, I can tell you, the vast majority will be on my side, not the side of a tyrannical government.

  • thirdrail posted at 3:20 pm on Fri, Mar 1, 2013.

    thirdrail Posts: 395

    The ballot box is more effective than the bullet box.

  • Hydro Mike posted at 6:51 pm on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

    Hydro Mike Posts: 187

    And as the story goes, militias then became armies and we had a civil war.
    So what's you point Jim. My support and "who has my back" to uphold the US Constitution is for the men and women who are currently in the armed services or law enforcement

  • JimmyJam posted at 8:59 am on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

    JimmyJam Posts: 7

    Hydro Mike, don't forget that this country would not be what it is without militias. The militias were there to stand up against British oppression, they later banded together to form the Continental Army during that whole diplomatic failure that became the American Revolution. Most of these militias have been around far longer than you have and they weren't a problem until you heard about them, now that you heard about them they are shooting imaginary students, children, women... blah blah blah... at least in your head.

    Though Obama is helping it, we should be a lot more worried about the numerous elected officials that ignore what the people want and willing to push the agenda of the largest contributors to their campaigning funds.

  • Hydro Mike posted at 6:26 am on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

    Hydro Mike Posts: 187

    Defend our constitution, with arms? Who will they be shooting, students, children, women, public elected officials, national guard , local law enforcement? We defend this country and constitution from the government with the right to vote. We defend our country with arms from foreign invaders. Mr. Jones , when these groups start shooting at your deputies, I wonder what you will think of these citizens then.
    Ronald Reagan would be turning over in his grave, if he had read of a law enforcement person supporting organized gangs/militias

  • Ruthlessma posted at 10:30 pm on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

    Ruthlessma Posts: 25

    Don't confuse a militia group for citizens that own guns........who may soon become members of a militia due to what our Great Leader is doing to this country.