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Moses Lake talks car wash fundraisers

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Posted: Friday, October 5, 2012 9:05 am

MOSES LAKE - A Moses Lake business owner primed the town's city council members recently for future discussion of fundraising car washes.

Travis Palmer, owner of Glass House Car and Dog Wash on North Stratford Road, said such car wash events pump extra waste water into city sewers, are unregulated and take business away from his establishment.

"I want to encourage fundraising," he said. "It's not that I don't want it to be done. Everybody enjoys seeing their kids out there ... for the cause."

His main concern is codes not being enforced.

"Sports and other fundraisers are great, but there's no regulation," he said.

Palmer stood up at the end of the meeting for non-scheduled items on the agenda.

He said he planned to submit a letter to the city to put the topic on the next meeting's agenda, scheduled for Tuesday.

In other business, council members approved a remodel for the American Legion building, 538 W. Broadway Ave., that would extend a wheelchair ramp five feet into unplatted property.

Moses Lake Community Development Director Gilbert Alvarado said in a letter to the council that the cost of platting would exceed the cost of the repairs.

Plans include repainting, replacing the rear roof and elevating the rear portion to the same level as the main building.

The council also approved an ordinance that would annex roughly 2.29 acres of land near the intersection of Wheeler and Hamilton.

The city will hold a public hearing before moving forward with the annexation.

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  • Big Daddy posted at 8:42 pm on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    Big Daddy Posts: 1

    This really is the last thing this town needs. More regulations created in the name of "small business". I came from a city that had a giant flea market who lobbied the city government to ban yard sales because it "hurt" their bottom line. You got a $500 fine if you had a yard sale. Is that what Moses Lake would want to be like?

    I have yet to see long lines at a charity car wash. They are not the reason a car wash business might not be doing so well right now. It is the recession . Paying to have someone wash your car is a luxury that many people who have tight budgets would and should skip.


  • progressnotcongress posted at 5:29 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    progressnotcongress Posts: 2

    why arent we looking at how the wastewater is treated. anything that goes into a drain should go to a treatment plant not into the lake or the ground. ive used the car and dog wash once and will never go there again. i had a new car and that place destroyed my paint all down the drivers side. looked like someone took coarse sandpaper to it, the gouges went to the metal. my friend that also went through the same day had the same problem. when we tried to contact him, he avoided us like the plague. never did get to talk to him after a month of trying. i really wonder how many paintjobs his establishment has destroyed!! dont go there unless you want to buy a new paint job with your money, because he wont do anything about it!! im all for supporting people doing fundraisers, but im not for paying someone to ruin my car.

  • lovemykids posted at 8:52 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    lovemykids Posts: 2

    I think that car wash fundraisers for the right reason are awesome and being a small town we can be proud they are happening. I will never go to the glass house now because of that mans obvious greed.

  • memyselfandi posted at 7:48 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    memyselfandi Posts: 62

    I see Mr. Palmer's point but I think he has a losing battle. I'm sure to him it does appear that there is a fundraising car wash darn near everyday somewhere in town.

    Masanz1 - his "dirty water" goes into the sewer water and gets treated and at the fundraisers (and even in your own driveway) it goes into the storm water and ultimately into the lake without treatment.

    I am afraid Mr. Palmer has opened a can of worms that I don't thing the residents of this town will like.

  • K McLeod posted at 10:11 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    K McLeod Posts: 293

    I think it was an attempt to use absurdity to illustrate absurdity.

  • Former Resident posted at 9:08 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Former Resident Posts: 35

    When my son suddenly passed away last year, some of his friends organized car washes to help pay for the funeral. A great many people came to donate to the cause, some even just gave the kids money and said they didn't really need a car wash, just wanted to help. These fundraiser car washes don't happen every day. And I highly doubt that this really impacted any of the car wash businesses since most of the patrons didn't even intend to have their cars washed but came for the cause. I will never forget the generosity of the people of Moses Lake during our family's time of grief and will be forever thankful to everyone who donated their time and money.

    @Beelzebub: your suggestions are just ridiculous. All of the proceeds from the car washes in June of last year went towards helping our family. The kids who donated their time and baked in the sun to do this didn't profit from it, so why should there be a license fee or sales tax collection? And background check and videotaping the entire process? Are you serious? Kids are doing something worthwhile and people like you want to spoil it by over-regulating it. Good grief!

  • K McLeod posted at 9:02 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    K McLeod Posts: 293

    I second that motion. [cool]

  • Domanost posted at 9:33 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Domanost Posts: 93

    Lol. I understand who needs more regulations. We just need to educate people on how waste water is problematic to the environment. Once educated they could use the right cleaners and use proper drains and it shouldn't be a problem in that regard. If the business could prove they are losing money due to fundraisers then he might have something to stand on if not it would be just speculation that the fundraisers are hurting his business.

  • Beelzebub posted at 8:29 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Beelzebub Posts: 118

    I think a license fee and background check of all those kids and supervisors at these fundraising car washes would be in order.Some regulation of the money handling process, sales tax collection, and documentation is required. A city inspector should be on site to ascertain that only environmental friendly soaps, wash mitts, etc are used. The amount of water and impact upon the wastewater treatment system should be estimated and a fee charged for that. The entire car wash event should be videotaped, reviewed by the city council, and archived for any future legal action.In fact this entire process should be reviewed by the Grant County Prosecutor, if he is not too busy preparing for his disbarment hearing.

  • Domanost posted at 7:34 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Domanost Posts: 93

    What gets me is how can charities that are Tax exempt already, go out and hurt brick and motor businesses that pays taxes by offering fly by night service for "the cause" and act like they are helping the community. I think the owner has a reason to be concerned about the Health of his business yet is probably well educated about what happens when excessive unprocessed waste water enters are tax payer waste water system. I do not want a lake that is green and nasty we need to watch the amount of phosphates that enter the ground water and storm water systems.

  • K McLeod posted at 7:08 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    K McLeod Posts: 293

    Travis Palmer says:

    "Sports and other fundraisers are great, but there's no regulation,"

    Like we need more regulations. Good grief!

    Before long it will be illegal to wash your own car in your own driveway.
    It's already happening in other areas of the state.

  • truth seeker posted at 12:17 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    truth seeker Posts: 69

    Why not invite the charity car washes to take place at his establishment?? Advertise "HAND CAR WASH" and split the proceeds with the CHILDREN raising money for the event. There is almost always another way to a double win.

  • Heathen posted at 12:00 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Heathen Posts: 830

    Seems like a silly point to me. Does anyone think to themselves: "My car is dirty, but I want to save some money so I'll wait until there's a charity car wash"? Doubtful. I think most people use charity car washes because they want to support a cause. Well, there can be other reasons, depending on who's doing the washing. . .[wink]

  • masanz1 posted at 10:55 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    masanz1 Posts: 9

    just curious on what this owner does with his waste water. anyone know? are his detergents and soaps environmentally friendly? Just wondering cause i really dont know. Just worried that whatever point he's trying to prove is going to end up hurting himself and other businesses that use water.

  • Domanost posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Domanost Posts: 93

    In past years I would see one or two groups doing a car wash. This year I seen around 5 different groups in that area of town on one Saturday. I could understand his situation and his point.